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	<title>Comments on: Aloha Airlines shuts down</title>
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		<title>By: billso</title>
		<link>http://billso.com/2008/03/30/aloha-airlines-shuts-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1134</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda miss the regulated days, myself. Can Hawaiian Telcom survive without regulatory help from the state? I doubt it. 

There are calls from Hawaii&#039;s DC delegation for Federal regulation of interisland service in Hawaii. Alaska&#039;s intrastate air service has remained under Federal regulation, and is doing OK. Mirono has already spoken to Oberstar, and Dan Inouye may hold his own Senate hearing on Aloha. See today&#039;s &lt;a href =&quot;http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS01/804010369/1190/LOCALNEWSFRONT&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advertiser&lt;/a&gt;.

I still prefer the big buses to trains.  I&#039;ll have more to say about the transit issue in &lt;a href=&quot;http://billso.com/2008/04/02/still-on-track&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post&lt;/a&gt; later today. 

Northwest&#039;s Federal salvation may have doomed Delta, you know. When the two airlines decided to merge, NWA used its Federal pull to save its own interests first. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120672798287172277.html?mod=googlenews_wsj&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wall Street Journal article&lt;/a&gt; has more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda miss the regulated days, myself. Can Hawaiian Telcom survive without regulatory help from the state? I doubt it. </p>
<p>There are calls from Hawaii’s DC delegation for Federal regulation of interisland service in Hawaii. Alaska’s intrastate air service has remained under Federal regulation, and is doing OK. Mirono has already spoken to Oberstar, and Dan Inouye may hold his own Senate hearing on Aloha. See today’s <a href ="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS01/804010369/1190/LOCALNEWSFRONT" rel="nofollow">Advertiser</a>.</p>
<p>I still prefer the big buses to trains.  I’ll have more to say about the transit issue in <a href="http://billso.com/2008/04/02/still-on-track" rel="nofollow">a post</a> later today. </p>
<p>Northwest’s Federal salvation may have doomed Delta, you know. When the two airlines decided to merge, NWA used its Federal pull to save its own interests first. This <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120672798287172277.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" rel="nofollow">Wall Street Journal article</a> has more details.</p>
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		<title>By: dleuck</title>
		<link>http://billso.com/2008/03/30/aloha-airlines-shuts-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>dleuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Keep in mind that Oberstar got Federal help
&gt; for Northwest Airlines

I read about this, and I am not sure I agree with that move either although I have not studied it closely.  Only in very extreme cases do I favor our tax dollars being used in this manner.

I found Oberstar&#039;s comments to the legislature to be arrogant and presumptuous.  Why is a guy living 4000 miles away telling the Hawaii legislature what is and isn&#039;t important in Hawaii?  

I believe the only proper role of the government in this area is to ensure the larger carriers are not engaging in illegal anticompetitive practices such as selling tickets under cost to drive smaller carriers out of business.  Beyond that, businesses must survive on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Keep in mind that Oberstar got Federal help<br />
&gt; for Northwest Airlines</p>
<p>I read about this, and I am not sure I agree with that move either although I have not studied it closely.  Only in very extreme cases do I favor our tax dollars being used in this manner.</p>
<p>I found Oberstar’s comments to the legislature to be arrogant and presumptuous.  Why is a guy living 4000 miles away telling the Hawaii legislature what is and isn’t important in Hawaii?  </p>
<p>I believe the only proper role of the government in this area is to ensure the larger carriers are not engaging in illegal anticompetitive practices such as selling tickets under cost to drive smaller carriers out of business.  Beyond that, businesses must survive on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: billso</title>
		<link>http://billso.com/2008/03/30/aloha-airlines-shuts-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1129</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Cataluna had a good point in her 1 April column in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/COLUMNISTS02/804010371&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Honolulu Advertiser&lt;/a&gt;. 

The local market in Hawaii is less supportive for local companies now than ever before. That&#039;s how go! managed to get a toehold in the market. 

I don&#039;t think the state should be expected to step in and save Aloha Airlines when customers were more than willing to switch to other carriers. Local customers saved a few bucks at the time, but fares will creep up in the future without Aloha&#039;s passenger business to put pressure on go! and Hawaiian. 

A state bailout means that every taxpayer would pay the costs of the fare war, and that&#039;s not right.

Aloha&#039;s cargo business will survive, because it was run separately and carries the bulk of the mail, bread, and other items that are sent via air among the islands. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS01/804010363&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This Advertiser article&lt;/a&gt; has more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Cataluna had a good point in her 1 April column in the <a href="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/COLUMNISTS02/804010371" rel="nofollow">Honolulu Advertiser</a>. </p>
<p>The local market in Hawaii is less supportive for local companies now than ever before. That’s how go! managed to get a toehold in the market. </p>
<p>I don’t think the state should be expected to step in and save Aloha Airlines when customers were more than willing to switch to other carriers. Local customers saved a few bucks at the time, but fares will creep up in the future without Aloha’s passenger business to put pressure on go! and Hawaiian. </p>
<p>A state bailout means that every taxpayer would pay the costs of the fare war, and that’s not right.</p>
<p>Aloha’s cargo business will survive, because it was run separately and carries the bulk of the mail, bread, and other items that are sent via air among the islands. <a href="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS01/804010363" rel="nofollow">This Advertiser article</a> has more details.</p>
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		<title>By: billso</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comment, Dan. 

Keep in mind that Oberstar got Federal help for Northwest Airlines, which is a major employer in the Twin Cities. 

I do agree with Oberstar on one point. The state of Hawaii depends upon its interisland airlines. A dozen Superferries couldn&#039;t match what Hawaiian Airlines and its smaller competitors haul in its planes every day. 

I don&#039;t agree with the way Hawaiian Airlines does business, especially its outsourcing of IT and call center operations. I&#039;ll discuss that in a future article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment, Dan. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that Oberstar got Federal help for Northwest Airlines, which is a major employer in the Twin Cities. </p>
<p>I do agree with Oberstar on one point. The state of Hawaii depends upon its interisland airlines. A dozen Superferries couldn’t match what Hawaiian Airlines and its smaller competitors haul in its planes every day. </p>
<p>I don’t agree with the way Hawaiian Airlines does business, especially its outsourcing of IT and call center operations. I’ll discuss that in a future article.</p>
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		<title>By: dleuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; This is your taxi. This is your bus line. 
&gt; You essentially have to maintain this
&gt; carrier for its competitive service

James Oberstar - MYOB.  I know this isn&#039;t a popular question, but if Aloha is so essential and competitive, why is it going out of business?  Its sad to see Aloha go given its history, and I know a lot of great people work at the company, but this is part of the natural Darwinism of free markets that is essential to their efficiency.  Every time they talk about bailing out private businesses with tax dollars it makes my blood boil.  Am I working to subsidize airlines?  Ikayzo had a rough fourth quarter in 2007 because of the banking crisis.  Should I write my congressman for a bailout?  Why do we provide charity for large corporations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; This is your taxi. This is your bus line.<br />
&gt; You essentially have to maintain this<br />
&gt; carrier for its competitive service</p>
<p>James Oberstar — MYOB.  I know this isn’t a popular question, but if Aloha is so essential and competitive, why is it going out of business?  Its sad to see Aloha go given its history, and I know a lot of great people work at the company, but this is part of the natural Darwinism of free markets that is essential to their efficiency.  Every time they talk about bailing out private businesses with tax dollars it makes my blood boil.  Am I working to subsidize airlines?  Ikayzo had a rough fourth quarter in 2007 because of the banking crisis.  Should I write my congressman for a bailout?  Why do we provide charity for large corporations?</p>
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